Talk:Informe de Contacto 007
Comments on Contact Report 7 <comments />
Reginald said ...
Mark said ...
I remember reading one time that some things must be approved by the High Council, and I don't know if they approved attaining the scripts, but this report is not up to date so who knows what lies in the depths of planet earth and all it's treasures of knowledge. Don't go searching for that script now Reginald and become a rockstar or anything. :)
--Mark 20:11, 1 June 2010 (BST)
Hawaiian said ...
To Reginald,
Yes, the Plejarens could have just done what you suggested, but that never happened, so Billy had to get the revised version from the Petale level. An extra effort after experiencing a breakdown caused by unreasonable demands by the Plejaren themselves.
On more than a few occasions, the Plejarens have displayed thoughtless "logic" adhering to their non-interference directives, that has caused more problems for Earth humans to "resolve" had they not logically think the "solution" out before remaining on the sidelines, case in point;
1 - As in this case of Rashid, the Plejaren also irresponsibly demanded too much from Billy which also killed him as a result.
2 - Did not intervene when the Sirian commandos began to "erase" all human-made structures on Mars after they arrested the Men in Black on Mars. In Contact Note 251, they mentioned back then, that Earth humans will soon discover the ancient ruins on Mars that will bring into question the religious dogmas. But now it has been erased, makes it more difficult to prove otherwise, thus makes Billy's mission more difficult as well.
3 - Did not intervene during the Tunguska event when a spacecraft with 4387 ET's through navigation error, brought them to Russian and could not leave because of technical difficulties. They created an atomic bomb and destroyed themselves, thus they are now condemned to the re-incarnation process here on Earth, when the Plejarens could have provided another option, but did not, because they are blinded by their own quest for evolution.
Here was a genuine opportunity to resolve a host of problems for both these ET's and Earth humans, who common problems traced back to religions and those that promoted it. Their home worlds were destroyed when their ancestors took the insane religious beliefs from Earth back there 1000 years ago.
Those that created these religious insanity were none other than the Giza Intelligences based under the pyramids. Instead of allowing such an opportunity go to waste, these ET's could have served a most useful endeavor and counter-act the evil Giza Intelligences, thus preventing WW1 and WW2 and also permitting their leaders back home to reconsider?
Sometimes I wonder how "logical" these Plejarens are, when they can't even see what's under their feet? Yes the foundation they stand on, created by the most honorable BEING/Being himself Nokodemjon who co-created the very ancestors of the Plejaren, Creator Overlords and others. It is this foundation of logical, humane intervention that supercedes any directives which enables one to evolve pass these self-imposed restrictions that inhibits both parties of this equation.
--Hawaiian 20:13, 1 June 2010 (BST)
Mark said ...
Hawaiian everyone can't do the Hula dance correctly at first but even higher and more knowledgeable beings can't make perfect decisions every time. Wars can be averted if money hungry people and those that wish to dominate don't reach the highest position so easily. I mean once you become a top official it's like taking candy from a baby, there should be an enormous amount of obstacles before anything is approved. Governments are set up so in a couple of years ANYONE can make it to the top and impose there will upon there people. If they had tougher requirements in leadership such as a very high education attainment, years of good humanitarian service and a certain age before becoming a rule creator things would be much better. It would also help if before approvign anything they discuss the possible good and bad outcomes thus they don't get surprised when chaos breaks out because they were too quick on the trigger. I also remember reading that the Plejarens cannot interfere with events within our jurisdiction unless of a possible destructive nature to the cosmos. They have kindly sent 7 prophets our way or the universe has and we turned them away with the profit power greedy seeking leaders. We are the only ones to blame for our problems.
--Mark 20:39, 1 June 2010 (BST)
Bigfoot said ...
I agree with Mark because the Plejaren are only Human and not some perfect god.Everybody can learn from their mistakes so they can correct these mistakes to the good.I feel very good that the Plejuran help us at all.What would it be like if there was only bad Aliens?
--Bigfoot 08:05, 6 June 2010 (BST)
Hawaiian said ...
In 1995 the Plejarens have officially withdrawn from Earthly missions, expect for the occasional visits and telepathic contacts with BEAM. So as I see it, we are again left to fend for ourselves, one question that I still ponder, are some of the evil 144,228 former ring leaders the "Sons and Daughters of Heavens", those responsible for the terrible religious dogmas on Earth were later accepted by the Plejaren in the past.
Thus, is it logical to assume that some of these Plejarens have a self interest in themselves, more so than the concern of these manipulated/degenerated Earth humans, since they have "fulfilled" their part through BEAM by the Creational materials he has written and now has left, contented with their "mission accomplished" endeavor?
Based on the past and current practices/attitudes of the Plejaren, I'm not sure if I would whole hearty accept them 100 percent genuine and compassionate, for self preservation, avoidance to open dialogue towards addressing their counterparts and steadfastly adhering to their "directives" often appears counter-productive and often creates more problems at hand.
Granted, I will credit them for the assistance given to both BEAM and Earthly matters, but they still have much to learn even if it means the destruction of Earth along with people like ourselves under the worst imposed conditions, trying in earnest to adhere to Creational methods, in my books is nothing less than abandonment!
However, as Billy once mentioned to Quetzal, "one day the Plejaren will be humbled and respect those that they feed with a big spoon".
--Hawaiian 19:42, 6 June 2010 (BST)
Mark said ...
Hawaiian I usually agree but it's like entering into every country and imposing our rules and time and everytime. A problem which is still going on today.:) If we can't figure out to help ourselves, how can we become any better. If they solve all our problems and fix every mistake we make, how can we learn? I am sure that they had there fair share of trouble makers as well like Ashtar Sheran who was a highly knowledgeable one that somehow chose a different path. They are by no means perfect, remember the caks ship being discontinued. I would call most of what they say as genuine because it is a universal matter of knowledge they are passing along not an egotistical self centered ideal. Would you want to speak to beings that have a LONG way to go in terms of mental development and don't use all there senses correctly. It's like talking to a wall. One day things will get better if everyone can jointly make decisions rather than pointing fingers all the time.
--Mark 22:50, 6 June 2010 (BST)
Mark said ...
Even more imperfections is there inability to have contact with dogs and cats at close proximity. Flashlights which can blind them. Bicycles and there monstrous road grating and balancing act dangers. 500 plus cake ship atmosphere deterioration feature. OOPS said that one already. Updated Contact reports due to approval from councils high above them. Pictures destroyed due to overexcited human reactions and possible black mail by earth humans of degenerate thinking capabilities. Feel free to add a list of more my fellow contact report readers.
--Mark 23:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)
Hawaiian said ...
This exercise was to point out the imperfections of these so called "advanced ET's", not point fingers, although it has a certain logical value when seriously analyzed under the Cause and Effect principle for those without the necessary experience in endeavoring however compassionate resolutions they may be utilizing.
On more than a few occasions, had the Plejaren or others analyzed the particular situations and elicit inputs from the very ones affected, then the outcome would have a more positive impact. There are allot of events going on within this most complex environment, both material and fine matters that one day we and others will discover as logical and humane. That is why such a complex interconnected issues that spans time/space of various encounters require a composite consensus approach to include the inputs from these so called degenerates, since some are directly connected to former ET re-incarnated spirits.
Maybe it will be another ET race or BEING not the Plejaren, with of course, Earth human inputs that will finally bring about the reversal of degenerative measures that will bridge the enormous gap that now separates our common link(s)?
We are more interconnected than what meets the eye, but that full potential(s) have not been addressed and when one understands their valuable place holder in this equation, along with others on the "other side" of this equation, then one will "find" the appropriate measures to finally balance the "Equational Potentials" between the negative and positive factors since Nokodemjon brought order in the DERN universe.
The "key" is to acknowledge and act positively on your particular attributes in this most complex set of evolutionary circumstances regardless of ones current level of evolution. When all entities react positively, then the BEING will be unified between the material and fine energies that currently separate them.
--Hawaiian 06:22, 7 June 2010 (BST)
Mark said ...
The Plejaren are not perfect, so they cannot know every single space dwelling race out there. They are developing like we are, thus we can't rely on them for everything, we should be so kind to say thanks for the assistance. They can in no way know every ET's intention out there. If we implemented better measures to counter rash decision making then things can get better by our own hand rather than us having to hope the Plejaren elicit thoughts into every leader to do the right thing.
--Mark 16:51, 7 June 2010 (BST)
Bigfoot said ...
Because the Plejaren are close friends with BEAM it is more than reasonable to think that the Plejaren show wisdom and knowledge which is simply excused by us Earth Human degenerates.(Wisdom x knowledge = Love).It is unreasonable to expect any human at any level of evolution to sacrifice themselves. The best anybody can do is to be responsible for themselves first and to help others secondly.We should only compete with good deeds.These ideas evolve humans to be spiritual and thus independent from the urge to be dependent on others.The body is really a vessel or dwelling for the spirit and the conscience block. Food is the fuel and material that maintains the flesh and blood while the electromagnetic energies power the body and the conscience and the fluidal Energies and much more.We are today capable of reversing the gene that degenerates our lives it only requires masses of people to awake and see the truth in order for cause and effect to take place for the good.
--Bigfoot 01:44, 8 June 2010 (BST)
Nebojsa said ...
Greek Orthodox-Catholic Church? Such a church does not exist. The two are separate and opposed (since the 10th century AD).The Talmud has nothing in common with either of the above mentioned churches, it is Jewish. And Rashid is an Arabic/Islamic name. Such errors raise serious doubts about the authenticity of the text and compromise Mr. Meier.
--Nebojsa 18:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Zameen said ...
-nebojas I implore you to read much more and with specific regard the contact notes. Therein you will find answers that seemed like they were standing up and waving a giant flag as if to say "Right here!! right here!! These are the answers!"
--Zameen 21:47, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hawaiian said ...
The revised version of the Talmud transmitted to Billy came from the Petale realm, the highest spiritual level before becoming the Absolutum. It is NOT any religious dogma, nor belongs to any religion, certainly not Jewish who god they worship is Jehova who WAS a JHFH (king of falsehood, malice) an evil material man who is not even at the half-physical/spiritual level of the High Council and not even close to the 1st level of the Arahat Athersata in which the Petale is much higher being at the 7th pure spiritual level.
So logical speaking, why would the Petale give instructions to Billy for a Jewish people whose god is opposite of what creational teaching is about? Don't make sense at all..
--Hawaiian 22:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hawaiian said ...
Just my opinion, if the events stated are true and that the Plejaren leader Ptaah for not just Earth but two other planets was responsible for these miscues (Tunguska, Mars) then maybe he should gracefully retire and let Quetzal take his place since he is already at the JHWH level and also a strut degree as well.
Besides was it not Quetzal's inititive in conducting that android experiement to validate that the Plejaren's demmand on Billy at the SSSC was too extreme and the reason why he suffered a nervious breakdown that almost killed him?
Besides Quetzal has direct links to Earthly matters, being the incarnated spirit of Gabriel the Plejaren leader who mated with Mary and produced a son Jmmanuel the 5th prophet whose spiritual connections is directly linked to Billy himself, which in turn is directly linked to almost every Earth human?
I think we need a new prospective to address this most complicated slew of events ocurring on Earth, letting other ET's dictate how events pan out is certainly not advisable and Quetzal seems the most logical individual to do innovative things rather than be burdened with protocols and directives. Ptaah has done some good work, but being good is not enough.
--Hawaiian 22:23, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Markvd said ...
I wonder if the 3 planets Ptaah is in charge of are similar or vastly different. I guess that they all follow the creational guidelines to development of people and there consciosness. At best I wouldn't have let Mars/Phaeton Malona fall but in terms of balance since religion came from our region and caused the demise of an entire system of planets, it was our fate to lose one in the cosmic balance. We should be fortunate to still be around with our inaccurate thinking. I think they have done a commendable job but more teaching needs to reach the masses. Tunguska I am not so sure because if they had broken the rules the space faring peoples then they might have brought about there own fate. It could have been handled differently but you learn and make better moves in the future.
--Markvd 00:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Sheila said ...
Aloha Hawaiian, I think what you said is being a little disrespectful towards Ptaah, don't you think? Maybe Billy knows of all Ptaah's great deeds and we don't? Since Ptaah isn't one to brag, maybe in some future lifetime we will know of all the great things he's done. But just the fact that we haven't blown our earth up yet speaks volumes since there are a lot of crazy humans with their finger on the button. So just because we aren't spoon fed his great feats, doesn't mean there aren't any. And I sure hope he keeps it up :)
--Sheila 14:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Sanjin said ...
Nebojsa, this is for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church
The two churches you are talking about are "Orthodox Catholic" and "Roman Catholic". But the Orthodox Catholic is commonly just called Orthodox Church.
--Sanjin 18:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Hawaiian said ...
There is a contact report where Semjase says that once Earth humans have developed the means to reach Mars they will discover ancient ruins that will verify to the religious sector and all humanity that they are not the only ones in the universe and will invalidate many of the religious dogmas which keeps humanity from the truth.
Now that the Sirians erased all evidence it only makes spiritual evolution much more difficult (changes in prophecy as well), Ptaah as a leader of this sector in space should have said something to prevent such an event from occurring, but no he or others was only concerned about some Sirian law that allows such action to take place because "no living human was presently on Mars during the erasure". What about the billions living in religious delusion on Earth who would have certainly benefited from such hard evidence to prove that these degenerated practices (created by ET’s) are false?
Who cares about Sirian law, this SOL sector is under Plejaren control not them and Ptaah is the primary invidual for its enforcement, instead of standing up for Earthly humanity he let himself be swayed by some outside ET protocols just like in the Tunguska incident which could have resulted in preventing world wars I and II that would have a dramatic outcome for Earthly matters.
It appears that prediction and prophecies are much more important than correcting the degenerated parameters of humans on Earth to also include protocols and directives of others who visit this sector but do not live here. The cards are surely stacked against us and again Earthly humans are thrown to the wayside from those with the power to assist but chose otherwise, therefore in these cases the Plejaren are part of the problem and not the solution. In this regard had Ptaah or the Plejarens made a better judgment, I would respect them, but since they did not, they do not deserve my respect in these cases. I do recognize other accomplishments as well.
--Hawaiian 21:44, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Markvd said ...
What's up with all these requests?
I have a list as well if everyone wants something done.
1. More teachers like 1 for every 5-7 students. 2. Super giant correctness telepathic/notic impulser for all world leaders. 3. World leaders must meet a certain intelligence level lacking corruption and further progressive movement for mankind or lifespan lessened by half. :) 4. If we go over 10 billion population wise, I think we need a plan B for mankind. 5. People will begin to wonder why other live longer and they will learn that it is because of correct thinking vs incorrect thinking. I think everyone will improve in commmon sense immediately instead of feeding humanity BS.
There should be certain parameters only few can reach if they abide by the laws, if they do not they shall not enjoy the same benefits. You have to work you way up. Can't expect people to use every cunning scheme to prevail. There must be a way where man is judged and rewarded lacking material or scientific upgrade. Spiritual upgrade for the correct thinkers. Everyone wants the new Ipad but what if you can have one without any electronics and lifetime warranty through spirit teaching. ;)
As long as we recycle our material ways over and over we will remain a stagnant race of humanity. If our population decreases to a sustainable level we will benefit with enormous technology and spiritual capability beyond our current imagination.
--Markvd 22:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Sheila said ...
Aloha Hawaiian, I liken the Sirians to Americans who instead of letting Aghanis deal with the soldier who killed 16 civilians, chose to take him home and prosecute him. Yes it is a Sirian law to destroy all things used in a crime, things are really not that much different here. Once someone is convicted of a crime, the evidence is often destroyed. But when you think of the Sirians destroying the stations on Mars it makes me think they did this just so it wouldn’t happen again. The US secret services were involved so it wouldn’t take them long to get back to Mars and take up where they left off. I think the Sirians did the right thing, and so what if we can’t find the stations? We will find history there at some point, just like we do on earth, we start digging for evidence of previous life. The Tunguska event is really not as bad as what you think when you consider reincarnation. They would have given their homeworld an epidemic if they had been able to fly home. Instead they are incarnated on earth so they can realize what their shenanigans have done to humans and what the consequences of their interference has brought to this world. People often say that you can only understand if you have walked a mile in someone’s footsteps, so I guess the Tunguska event ETs will have that chance.
--Sheila 14:21, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
They can travel through time and still not save these scripts? Or copy them at least. Or beam the script and the man aboard!
--Reginald 17:03, 1 June 2010 (BST)